My College professor in English would often say "help me see what you see." The joke response I had was to hand him my glasses.
This is the guy I have been waiting to see. The outraged adult that walks into a room of children and yells "HEY! STOP IT!" He should have ended the video by throwing the mask on the floor and stomping on it.
I am trying to follow the trail of logic here at what you are trying to say in your post.
You're right there is a danger to women in clubs to be hit on by men who will drug their drinks. We have a new term for it now known as "Being Cosbied." Well, I shouldn't say "we" as this is my term for it. I imagine other people use it as well as my thinking is not as original at times as I think it is.
In one of your paragraphs, you related how naive college age women were drugged sempai's who were then brought to their sempai. Did you mean Kohai? I think what I was trying to follow here was that Kohai would provide drinks for their male sempai as well as drugs. These drugs were used on female college students which the male sempai would bring to their kohai.
An idle question, do women have a similar sempai/kohai relationship structure?
I'd argue that there is a difference here between the naive ignorance of how men can be and the mass formation that has developed for the virus. I believe that women could be convinced, if educated to now that men can ben and at times are scum.
And yet, if these men are "medical experts" they can do no wrong as long as the bend the knee at the alter of the narrative.
I have often thought that the pandemic has been a long sad, bitter, devastating, and now highly destructive "sunk costs logical fallacy." From the beginning it has been a comedy of bad decisions from believing the Ferguson models, the Chinese response and now here we are with protests in the street, untold millions facing mental and physical hardships, and much of it due not to the virus itself, but our response to it.
If I was going to do spoken word beat poetry I would probably write a poem that goes.
My point with the KREIS incident was to show how a news story form Japan of great importance can be well known overseas yet remain little known in Japan. Neither of these two stories suffered from a complete a media blackout. Both were/are widely discussed abroad yet unknown to those who most need to know them in Japan.
As with KREIS, Dr, Fukushima’s comments were broadcast in Japan. Some in Japan are aware of his comments, as some in Japan are aware of KREIS. In both cases, those abroad interested in aspects of each of these stories know of them and discuss them. But I suspect that like KREIS, this story is also not widely known in Japan.
On to your questions about sempai/kohai in the KREIS story. What was openly talked about when I was a student here in the late 90s was how the kohai would prepare female refreshment for their male sempai. They would incapacitate the girls alcohol and or by spiking their drinks and then deliver the girls to their sempai. I do not know where you are and thus do not know what you know of the drinking culture in Japan. Pardon me if the following is known to you.
Most drinking places have a time limit, the most common of which is 90 minutes. We must pay up and leave after an hour and a half. This is too short for most and there is always a “nijikai” or second party. Most, thought often not all of the group will go to the nijikai, in the case of college students. There are often sanjikai or 3rd parties too. The sempai would move to the later party’s venue as the earlier party was conconcluding or just skip the earlier party and go straight to the later party and wait for their kohai to deliver drunk/drugged girls to enjoy.
Yes, women the world over need to be careful when drinking, but what I described above was thought as “normal” dating by the guys at least. When one of these situations were rarely reported upon, there were always comments that indicated that they were wide spread. I am also not aware of many cases where large numbers of women in a single group were raped in this fashion at one time in the States. A single women being separated from her friends and taken advantage of, yes, but not all the women in the group.
Yes, females also have the sempai/kohai relationship and theirs can be every bit as strict as that of males, possibly even more so. I have worked rhe longest at a women’s university and the things I have heard from my students there is shocking. I know that it happens, just have no ide if it is a rare occurrence or common, sempai women offering their female kohai as sexual favors to the male students of another school’s club/circle at parties. Is it actual sex? Not sure, but forcing their kohai to dress extremely provocatively and perform mock sex acts in front of everyone with the entire audience drunk….well things are going to happen.
I did not know that about the drinking culture in Japan, sounds like a lot of pressure to get people as drunk as possible in the least amount of time in order to maximize profits. An unrelated question: what happens to a person that is known to habitually drink only soft drinks at these type of establishments?
Stories here in the states of course are censored, but more for political reasons. The least I keep asking for is intellectual consistency.. If a media outlet, for instance, reports Covid related side effects and problems, and even attaches non-covid related occurrences to Covid, then they should have the same standards in regards to vaccine-related experiences or occurrences. The narrative only flows in one direction.
Maybe one of our roles is to find stories like this and keep sharing them. I really do think there is a "mass formation" going on where people are simply allowing decisions to be made for them. I would not call it hypnosis, but "group think" sounds more in line what is going on.
Maybe what happens is that because media has reported that X is true, and I agree with X, then when they report Y to be true, I think that because I agreed with X then Y must be true as well. Add to that if a whole group of people believe that X is true and that Y is also true...then there is definite pressure to believe in Y.
I imagine I am guilty of falling for a degree of mass formation myself, which is why I am constantly asking questions, looking up stories and going "surely there is a very good reason for all these ridiculous mandates and restrictions.
Women should designate someone they trust a "drink watcher" or I have seen some people offer to watch other women's drinks, particularly if they head to the restroom or get up to dance/perform.
Keep in mind that all I related was precovid. I do not know how much of this can happen under the current covid mitigation regime. I know that the government has been begging for young adults to go out and drink due to the loss of alcohol tax revenue.
There are practical reasons for the time limits. Tokyo is extremely crowded. Many restaurants are very small. They can not make rent if a group comes in and drinks all night. The longer we stay the less we order. So they need a fresh group to come in. At least that is the theory.
I believe you are correct about it being “group think”. Japan is a group think society. I am not at all surprised at the response to covid here. I am shocked and stunned at how strong group think has become in the West, especially the US where we pride ourselves on our individuality and independent thought.
Ah, in Japan it is polite to pour drinks for others. It is extremely difficult to control how much you are drinking when your glass is never empty. Then we have the mixed drinks, which are often mixed at the table by one of your group. And who does think it fun to get a “friend” drunk out of their mind? In recent precovid years, things have been changing. But when I was young, there were no “tea totterers. Have an allergy to alcohol? Tough. You drink. Japan is traditionally and one size fits all society. Some groups are reported to be more friendly towards their non drinking members in recent years, though.
Yes, we must question everything. Long ago I adopted the philosophy of asking myself “I wonder how much of this is true?” For every news story. If it was on a subject of interest or importance to me, I would dig in to it. I try to get my students to understand that no human can be unbiased and that we must get as many different views on any subject as possible to draw our own conclusions from. I am shocked that so few in education share this idea.
First of all, original story can be found here. I was lost and in the weeds at the beginning of this.
I think I do this as well, I don't connect the dots and provide context.
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/japanese-professor-warns-billions-of-lives-could-ultimately-be-in-danger-video/
My College professor in English would often say "help me see what you see." The joke response I had was to hand him my glasses.
This is the guy I have been waiting to see. The outraged adult that walks into a room of children and yells "HEY! STOP IT!" He should have ended the video by throwing the mask on the floor and stomping on it.
I am trying to follow the trail of logic here at what you are trying to say in your post.
You're right there is a danger to women in clubs to be hit on by men who will drug their drinks. We have a new term for it now known as "Being Cosbied." Well, I shouldn't say "we" as this is my term for it. I imagine other people use it as well as my thinking is not as original at times as I think it is.
In one of your paragraphs, you related how naive college age women were drugged sempai's who were then brought to their sempai. Did you mean Kohai? I think what I was trying to follow here was that Kohai would provide drinks for their male sempai as well as drugs. These drugs were used on female college students which the male sempai would bring to their kohai.
An idle question, do women have a similar sempai/kohai relationship structure?
I'd argue that there is a difference here between the naive ignorance of how men can be and the mass formation that has developed for the virus. I believe that women could be convinced, if educated to now that men can ben and at times are scum.
And yet, if these men are "medical experts" they can do no wrong as long as the bend the knee at the alter of the narrative.
I have often thought that the pandemic has been a long sad, bitter, devastating, and now highly destructive "sunk costs logical fallacy." From the beginning it has been a comedy of bad decisions from believing the Ferguson models, the Chinese response and now here we are with protests in the street, untold millions facing mental and physical hardships, and much of it due not to the virus itself, but our response to it.
If I was going to do spoken word beat poetry I would probably write a poem that goes.
Pan-demic
Scam-demic
Plan-demic
Slam-Demic
Damn-demic
And then go on from there.
My point with the KREIS incident was to show how a news story form Japan of great importance can be well known overseas yet remain little known in Japan. Neither of these two stories suffered from a complete a media blackout. Both were/are widely discussed abroad yet unknown to those who most need to know them in Japan.
As with KREIS, Dr, Fukushima’s comments were broadcast in Japan. Some in Japan are aware of his comments, as some in Japan are aware of KREIS. In both cases, those abroad interested in aspects of each of these stories know of them and discuss them. But I suspect that like KREIS, this story is also not widely known in Japan.
On to your questions about sempai/kohai in the KREIS story. What was openly talked about when I was a student here in the late 90s was how the kohai would prepare female refreshment for their male sempai. They would incapacitate the girls alcohol and or by spiking their drinks and then deliver the girls to their sempai. I do not know where you are and thus do not know what you know of the drinking culture in Japan. Pardon me if the following is known to you.
Most drinking places have a time limit, the most common of which is 90 minutes. We must pay up and leave after an hour and a half. This is too short for most and there is always a “nijikai” or second party. Most, thought often not all of the group will go to the nijikai, in the case of college students. There are often sanjikai or 3rd parties too. The sempai would move to the later party’s venue as the earlier party was conconcluding or just skip the earlier party and go straight to the later party and wait for their kohai to deliver drunk/drugged girls to enjoy.
Yes, women the world over need to be careful when drinking, but what I described above was thought as “normal” dating by the guys at least. When one of these situations were rarely reported upon, there were always comments that indicated that they were wide spread. I am also not aware of many cases where large numbers of women in a single group were raped in this fashion at one time in the States. A single women being separated from her friends and taken advantage of, yes, but not all the women in the group.
Yes, females also have the sempai/kohai relationship and theirs can be every bit as strict as that of males, possibly even more so. I have worked rhe longest at a women’s university and the things I have heard from my students there is shocking. I know that it happens, just have no ide if it is a rare occurrence or common, sempai women offering their female kohai as sexual favors to the male students of another school’s club/circle at parties. Is it actual sex? Not sure, but forcing their kohai to dress extremely provocatively and perform mock sex acts in front of everyone with the entire audience drunk….well things are going to happen.
I did not know that about the drinking culture in Japan, sounds like a lot of pressure to get people as drunk as possible in the least amount of time in order to maximize profits. An unrelated question: what happens to a person that is known to habitually drink only soft drinks at these type of establishments?
Stories here in the states of course are censored, but more for political reasons. The least I keep asking for is intellectual consistency.. If a media outlet, for instance, reports Covid related side effects and problems, and even attaches non-covid related occurrences to Covid, then they should have the same standards in regards to vaccine-related experiences or occurrences. The narrative only flows in one direction.
Maybe one of our roles is to find stories like this and keep sharing them. I really do think there is a "mass formation" going on where people are simply allowing decisions to be made for them. I would not call it hypnosis, but "group think" sounds more in line what is going on.
Maybe what happens is that because media has reported that X is true, and I agree with X, then when they report Y to be true, I think that because I agreed with X then Y must be true as well. Add to that if a whole group of people believe that X is true and that Y is also true...then there is definite pressure to believe in Y.
I imagine I am guilty of falling for a degree of mass formation myself, which is why I am constantly asking questions, looking up stories and going "surely there is a very good reason for all these ridiculous mandates and restrictions.
Women should designate someone they trust a "drink watcher" or I have seen some people offer to watch other women's drinks, particularly if they head to the restroom or get up to dance/perform.
Keep in mind that all I related was precovid. I do not know how much of this can happen under the current covid mitigation regime. I know that the government has been begging for young adults to go out and drink due to the loss of alcohol tax revenue.
There are practical reasons for the time limits. Tokyo is extremely crowded. Many restaurants are very small. They can not make rent if a group comes in and drinks all night. The longer we stay the less we order. So they need a fresh group to come in. At least that is the theory.
I believe you are correct about it being “group think”. Japan is a group think society. I am not at all surprised at the response to covid here. I am shocked and stunned at how strong group think has become in the West, especially the US where we pride ourselves on our individuality and independent thought.
Ah, in Japan it is polite to pour drinks for others. It is extremely difficult to control how much you are drinking when your glass is never empty. Then we have the mixed drinks, which are often mixed at the table by one of your group. And who does think it fun to get a “friend” drunk out of their mind? In recent precovid years, things have been changing. But when I was young, there were no “tea totterers. Have an allergy to alcohol? Tough. You drink. Japan is traditionally and one size fits all society. Some groups are reported to be more friendly towards their non drinking members in recent years, though.
Yes, we must question everything. Long ago I adopted the philosophy of asking myself “I wonder how much of this is true?” For every news story. If it was on a subject of interest or importance to me, I would dig in to it. I try to get my students to understand that no human can be unbiased and that we must get as many different views on any subject as possible to draw our own conclusions from. I am shocked that so few in education share this idea.