Tracking everything, all the time. That's exactly the goal. But it's not about workplace performance, it's about money. Would a manager really have the time to interrogate a worker about being out of step for jazzercise? Managers count themselves lucky if their workers even show up! No, the IoT is about making sure every penny of every transaction is taxed, every speeding driver is ticketed and has to pay higher insurance, and that there's a giant permanent file on everyone that can be used to wallop them if they step out of line.
Peasants can take care of themselves, they don't need to work in factories. Matter of fact, the peasants not only provided for themselves back in their day, they also provided for the hierarchy (all those who didn't take care of themselves). But around 1917 the elite investors changed economic system and killed off the more robust of them and enslaved the rest.
Kind of like when the Romans crucified Jesus.
Better to use serf, or slave, maybe indentured, when it comes to that factory worker, and all those dependent on their economic system, actually.
Oh, they won’t succeed. Well, not at anything other than mass death and destruction, including their own. But they will take a hell of lot of people wth them.
Here I partly disagree. Yes, it is about money, but workplace performance is money. The purpose, as described to me by those working on it, is to increase efficiency. Every bit of energy that is not spent towards the goal is an inefficiency. Not all of these inefficiencies can be eliminated, nor should all that can be , be done away with, but eliminating the inefficiencies than can be can have a huge impact on the bottom line. What this IoT helps bring about is the inevitable, in my view, reduction of the things that should not be eliminating even if they can be. Keep in mind, that this is in Japan but do not forget that their way of doing things is catching on in the States too.
Would a manager take the time to interrogate a single employee who literally stepped out of line? Certainly. I read a historical account of a military advisor to a Chinese emperor. It may have been Sun Tsu himself. He stated that if allowed no limits on what he could do to them, he could turn any body of humans into the fiercest unit the world had ever seen. So the emperor have him some of the court maidens. At the first attempt to drill which was with a pole-arm of some sort I believe, one of the girls dropped their weapon and they all giggled . The soldier confirmed with the emperor that he was allowed to use any method he deemed necessary, called the giggling maiden front and center and then in one sword stroke, beheaded her for her mistake. In short order, he trained the fiercest, most disciplined body of troops to ever serve the emperor. While not as severe, the plant manager interrogating those who step out of line and punishing them severely, sending them home without pay and a permanent black mark in the evaluation system for example, would serve to literally keep everyone else in line.
The next point is what is the ultimate goal. It is not money but Power. Yes, they are the same but money is just the exchange medium of power. Saving money through efficiency is the selling point, just like the saving of time was the selling point for washers and dryers in the home. Using Japan again as an example, employers here have unbelievable control over their employees. The big corporations with whom all here want to work for, control which company’s products their employees use at home. From which maker they buy their family car from and even when. Which realtors or home builders they can and cannot use. Even the brand of beer. True, this is not as universal and all encompassing as it once was, but it still remains and companies are now controlling even more at home through work from home policies. And, they are being marketed the IoT tech to monitor for efficiency.
But here is where I think the ultimate goal is, to get us used to using it for work so that the resistance to it becoming universally applied is greatly reduced. At some point, these new toys will from the get go be obviously detrimental to the bottom of at least some of the companies that adopt them. It will, IMHO, become just like ESG where companies must adopt these detrimental policies at the threat of losing access to the financial services they need to operate. If they do not use these new gadgets that can and will later be used to control the general population, they will be frozen out of the financial sector.
Those behind all of this have no concerns for money. They have the governments they control just print more and they then buy up the debt and force the taxpayers to pay them back. Money figures into this not so much as giving them more, but by allowing us less and they being able to control how we use what little they leave us with.
This is already way longer than I intended, sorry, but I think it is important to add some of the ways we have already seen. We can see how the social credit system is being used in China. Regardless of how much money they have, if their points drop too low, they cannot leave whatever era they find themselves in. May even lose access to their accounts. Cannot use the restrooms unless you first make a qualifying purchase from a qualifying merchant and have an idiot phone that can scan and display QR codes. Same to get into and department venues for public events. These last two are from Japan but we have seen similar in the U.S. . Each State used to have their own, unique driver’s license design, layout and features. Unable legally to compel States to redistribute these to fit federal regulations, they just refused entry to federal buildings to citizens who had DLs from States that did not comply with the federal government’s wishes.
All of which is summed up in your final statement “that there's a giant permanent file on everyone that can be used to wallop them if they step out of line.”, which I equate to “control”.
I am trying to get caught up on clearing out my in box and finding all sorts of emails I did not realize I received, this is the second comment form you that I just found today.
My wife’s surgery is on Feb 14th and she will be in hospital for a full week. We will NOT be able to visit her, because covid. If anyone in close contact with her while she is there pops positive for covid, she will have to be quarantined. An acquaintance just suffered this. In the mean time, the tumor continues use to grow. Is now visible from across the room. Still do not know if it is benign or not. Thanks for asking.
Over the years I had often read or seen it depicted on the screen, “If I didn’t do, someone else would have.”, but I had not actually heard someone say it. Then in a short period of time, two different people said this to me…and it was on the same issue. I must say, hearing it said for real is chilling. Just as with “Well, everyone does it.”, I reply that I am not responsible for what others do but I am responsible for what I do.
Tracking everything, all the time. That's exactly the goal. But it's not about workplace performance, it's about money. Would a manager really have the time to interrogate a worker about being out of step for jazzercise? Managers count themselves lucky if their workers even show up! No, the IoT is about making sure every penny of every transaction is taxed, every speeding driver is ticketed and has to pay higher insurance, and that there's a giant permanent file on everyone that can be used to wallop them if they step out of line.
Peasants can take care of themselves, they don't need to work in factories. Matter of fact, the peasants not only provided for themselves back in their day, they also provided for the hierarchy (all those who didn't take care of themselves). But around 1917 the elite investors changed economic system and killed off the more robust of them and enslaved the rest.
Kind of like when the Romans crucified Jesus.
Better to use serf, or slave, maybe indentured, when it comes to that factory worker, and all those dependent on their economic system, actually.
These people can abide the idea of a single soul not complying with their demands. They will wipe out the peasants more throughly than Stalin did.
That said, I used the term to losing mean the non elite.
You don't want to become a peasant!
Learned a long time ago to not desire that which I can not have.
I highly doubt they have the capability, if so, it won't last long as the system will collapse this economic system that supports them.
Oh, they won’t succeed. Well, not at anything other than mass death and destruction, including their own. But they will take a hell of lot of people wth them.
I agree. Baked in the cake.
So don't eat the cake.
I'm dragging you along kicking and screaming!
Here I partly disagree. Yes, it is about money, but workplace performance is money. The purpose, as described to me by those working on it, is to increase efficiency. Every bit of energy that is not spent towards the goal is an inefficiency. Not all of these inefficiencies can be eliminated, nor should all that can be , be done away with, but eliminating the inefficiencies than can be can have a huge impact on the bottom line. What this IoT helps bring about is the inevitable, in my view, reduction of the things that should not be eliminating even if they can be. Keep in mind, that this is in Japan but do not forget that their way of doing things is catching on in the States too.
Would a manager take the time to interrogate a single employee who literally stepped out of line? Certainly. I read a historical account of a military advisor to a Chinese emperor. It may have been Sun Tsu himself. He stated that if allowed no limits on what he could do to them, he could turn any body of humans into the fiercest unit the world had ever seen. So the emperor have him some of the court maidens. At the first attempt to drill which was with a pole-arm of some sort I believe, one of the girls dropped their weapon and they all giggled . The soldier confirmed with the emperor that he was allowed to use any method he deemed necessary, called the giggling maiden front and center and then in one sword stroke, beheaded her for her mistake. In short order, he trained the fiercest, most disciplined body of troops to ever serve the emperor. While not as severe, the plant manager interrogating those who step out of line and punishing them severely, sending them home without pay and a permanent black mark in the evaluation system for example, would serve to literally keep everyone else in line.
The next point is what is the ultimate goal. It is not money but Power. Yes, they are the same but money is just the exchange medium of power. Saving money through efficiency is the selling point, just like the saving of time was the selling point for washers and dryers in the home. Using Japan again as an example, employers here have unbelievable control over their employees. The big corporations with whom all here want to work for, control which company’s products their employees use at home. From which maker they buy their family car from and even when. Which realtors or home builders they can and cannot use. Even the brand of beer. True, this is not as universal and all encompassing as it once was, but it still remains and companies are now controlling even more at home through work from home policies. And, they are being marketed the IoT tech to monitor for efficiency.
But here is where I think the ultimate goal is, to get us used to using it for work so that the resistance to it becoming universally applied is greatly reduced. At some point, these new toys will from the get go be obviously detrimental to the bottom of at least some of the companies that adopt them. It will, IMHO, become just like ESG where companies must adopt these detrimental policies at the threat of losing access to the financial services they need to operate. If they do not use these new gadgets that can and will later be used to control the general population, they will be frozen out of the financial sector.
Those behind all of this have no concerns for money. They have the governments they control just print more and they then buy up the debt and force the taxpayers to pay them back. Money figures into this not so much as giving them more, but by allowing us less and they being able to control how we use what little they leave us with.
This is already way longer than I intended, sorry, but I think it is important to add some of the ways we have already seen. We can see how the social credit system is being used in China. Regardless of how much money they have, if their points drop too low, they cannot leave whatever era they find themselves in. May even lose access to their accounts. Cannot use the restrooms unless you first make a qualifying purchase from a qualifying merchant and have an idiot phone that can scan and display QR codes. Same to get into and department venues for public events. These last two are from Japan but we have seen similar in the U.S. . Each State used to have their own, unique driver’s license design, layout and features. Unable legally to compel States to redistribute these to fit federal regulations, they just refused entry to federal buildings to citizens who had DLs from States that did not comply with the federal government’s wishes.
All of which is summed up in your final statement “that there's a giant permanent file on everyone that can be used to wallop them if they step out of line.”, which I equate to “control”.
I am trying to get caught up on clearing out my in box and finding all sorts of emails I did not realize I received, this is the second comment form you that I just found today.
My wife’s surgery is on Feb 14th and she will be in hospital for a full week. We will NOT be able to visit her, because covid. If anyone in close contact with her while she is there pops positive for covid, she will have to be quarantined. An acquaintance just suffered this. In the mean time, the tumor continues use to grow. Is now visible from across the room. Still do not know if it is benign or not. Thanks for asking.
Over the years I had often read or seen it depicted on the screen, “If I didn’t do, someone else would have.”, but I had not actually heard someone say it. Then in a short period of time, two different people said this to me…and it was on the same issue. I must say, hearing it said for real is chilling. Just as with “Well, everyone does it.”, I reply that I am not responsible for what others do but I am responsible for what I do.