I would have told you that prior to Covid our system maybe was savable.
But post Covid it is as lost as any others. You won't be denied care, but you will have to receive a vaccination whether you like it or not, or even know it or not.
Up until Obamacare, the US system was easily savable. It never was bad as it was reported to be. The number of uninsured included illegal aliens and those who chose not have any. The proportion of uninsured citizens who wanted insurance but could not afford it was tiny by comparison to those who were covered. I have the numbers somewhere, but if they spent the money wasted on the stupid Obama care website on the truly uninsured citizens, each such person could have received a huge sum in a medical savings account and more than solved the problem. Just like with masks, Obamacare was never about solving a health problem. Now, we see that the whole system from med school requirement, education, licensing, insurance, admission to after discharge and all in between has been corrupted.
I was born in 1970, so my experience obviously is more recent.
I’m no longer sure how to categorize what is it the States now. Hospitals are certainly following something different from what they were. Is it because they have co-opted by the State? That seems to be part of it but only part of it. Has ESG, with its SDGs and DEI components pressuring the private sector into playing the game or is it just the time when enough people schooled under these regimes have ascended to positions of power and are implementing these horrible policies?
I will tell you this, as broke as our system currently is here in the states, you will not be denied care.
I witnessed this over a couple of months here where one of our fellow tenants, uninsured, diabetic, wheelchair bound supposedly due to a wound on his leg that was not healing, became a frequent flyer for the hospital system. At least seven times he called 911 due to diabetic or heart related issues, and each time the ambulance would show up. Everyone knows how much an ambulance ride is, they run into thousands of dollars. So you do the math on seven times.
He was never refused, and I wasn't going to deny him making the calls. I mean, who am I to assess his health? I do remember overhearing a couple of the paramedics who tended to him that his blood sugar was over 300. Hence the reason they would take him to the hospital.
I also had two similar incidents here at the house where we had to call the paramedics for others as well, none were refused.
Our system is currently breaking down. Covid has seen to that, and my assessment is this was part of the (conspiracy theory) design. A few of the nursing staff who were experienced related to me that the hospital traffic was roughly the same as it had always been, but the hype regarding Covid added pressure to it. That, and staffing issues, were the only difference.
I was told one patient, in their teens, came to the hospital and was in a room due to being "covid positive." Most of her time their she spent complaining of boredom and lack of attention to her needs, but she was asymptomatic and one of the nurses related that she wasn't even sure why the patient was there and not at home. This was someone with "no" symptoms.
I could feel it on my four month stay at a hospital last year. I knew they had staffing issues by the lack of frequency they would visit me in my room. But part of that also might be due to the fact that I did not often "need" care. I wasn't frivolously calling the nursing staff. Doctors infrequently came to visit me and spent little to no time assessing my recovery, but they did show up.
I have been hospitalized numerous times since 2015. Once due to a heart issue, a second time for dehydration, and most recently for amputation. I did notice different levels of care, and assumed it was due to insurance related reasons, but in fact, it is more hospital related than insurance related.
My dad would say that he worked for the most expensive, free taxi service. They would get a call from someone on public aid. Regardless of the paramedics, assessment, they brought them to the hospital. While not required to bring them back home, the ambulance crew and the owner feared bad PR, so they would. On the way home, the patio would suddenly say, “Oh, I just remembered, I’m out of milk. Can we stop at the milk store.” That was the whole reason for the ambulance call. This was years ago now.
Clever 'patient'. I guess that is what corrupts and eventually ruins every system, ideology, or -ism ... the actors in bad faith that make up a percentage of every population.
Government employees who work with those on public aid instruct them on how to game the system. Then they share what they learn and experience with their family and friends. Many of my classmates in primary school were from 2nd or third generation welfare families. They did not know of a single family member who worked full time, if at all. My dad was the only full time employee at the ambulance service. All the others were on some sort of government assistance and would lose their “benies” if they worked more hours.
I am very new to the system of public aid. I went through the application of SSI and finally got it the past week. It's for 200.00 a month and very little was given in the way of backpay because I ddi receive some support from friends and family. If you have resources over 2000.00 in your bank account any given month, you are not eligible for public assistance that month.
The last thing I want to do is nothing, because I have seen the cost of nothing. Nothing will make you wither away. But I see firsthand how a system that was meant to aid those who need it, actually works to keep those there.
I was thinking that a huge part why the state should not be the source for assistance is that someone who cares and spends one weekend with you would have a better understanding than a state that receives all your paperwork over a year and a half.
The cut off for benefits is absurdly low. Just as you are about to finally climb out of the pit, they kick the ladder out from under you. I have known too many who have suffered because of that madness, including my own family when I was a child. My family had two junk cars but my parents could only keep one on the road at a time. No matter, two meant no assistance. I was allowed to work despite being underage due to my family’s financial situation. My mom was working two full time jobs and my dad had his own store, yet we were not making it.
My guess was there were times when it didn't matter the assessment, they had to take them in. I mean, what happened if they checked out in terms of blood sugar and pressure, and left the person only to find he died an hour later?
As I understand, it depends greatly upon the local laws, but those seem to support or create the situation you describe. I know that it can be especially troublesome when someone refuses transport to a hospital.
Things have changed so much under Obamacare and laws have simply been ignored during the panic that I have no idea how things are now.
Let's add this to our list of discussion topics when we get together for beers! Sounds like you and I are on the same page once again.
Although I am a Canadian, I am one of the few who you will encounter who has been complaining just how ridiculous the health care insanity in kanada is.
However, the one thing non-canadians, non-brits, non-australians, and non-new zealanders will never understand is the degree to which all of us british empire subjects were/are INUNDATED with endless nauseating propaganda about just how amazing our health care systems are (and a bunch of other identical propaganda bullshit like nicest people, best place on earth to live, best education systems, BETTER than the USA in everyway, etc...). ALL complete nonsense.
I am slightly unique however, in that I opted out of the kanadian system as best I could long ago. I got annoyed at my family doctor (family doctors - an anachronistic aspect of all north american health care) in junior high school and quit both doctor silliness and all medicine. I also lived in both Sweden (grade 12) and Germany (university year), and because of hockey injuries, experienced both healthcare systems firsthand - seemingly superior to kanada's and no wait times (I hear it's different these days mind you).
I was too zonked out to reply when I first saw this and kept getting distracted every time I looked for it.
Yes we need to get together for beer.
You nailed it, most Canadians I meet immediately start in with how much Canadian anything and everything is so much better than the same in the States. My British acquaintances are obsessed with race, place of origin, and ethnicity especially of actors and actresses then claim America is racist. They also work in how superior their NHS is than the non system in the States. With one exception, an Aussie woman I work with, those I met from East Germany with koalas did not have the inferiority complex those I referred to above seem to have. Very down to Earth people.
I encourage you to take a look at the following book about how Maoist China used infectious disease to help transform the nation into a collectivist authoritarian one:
Rural Health Care Delivery
Modern China from the Perspective of Disease Politics
"Diseases are everyday, ordinary occurrences intimately related to people’s daily lives. However, as the metaphor of the “Sick Man of East Asia” emerged against the backdrop of a weak modern China, health care and the curing of diseases were turned into grand state politics with far-reaching implications. This book, starting with the argument for diseases being metaphors, describes and interprets such incidents in China’s history as the Abolishment of Traditional Chinese Medicine, the Patriotic Hygiene Campaign and the Cooperative Medical Services. In an effort to reveal the internal logic of disease politics in the transformation of the state-people relationship, the book analyzes key aspects including the politicization and inclusion of diseases in state governance, the double disciplining of hygiene, legitimacy construction of the state, the remaking of the nationals, and the expansion of the “publicness” of the state. The book argues that disease politics in modern China has developed following the path from nationals to the people, and then to citizens, or from crisis politics and mobilization politics to life politics. In addition, a marked change has occurred in China’s state building: increasingly standard, rationalized and institutionalized means have been employed while the non-standard means, such as large-scale mobilization and ideological coercion, had been historically used in China."
I discovered this book when I recently reviewed some early reading of mine in March, 2020 I found in Foreign Affairs, an international affairs publication supported by and intended for the globalist audience, those who believe in one-world governance, varieties found both on the left and right. It is a highly influential publication in those circles, one of the most influential international affairs publications in the world The book above was in a link the FA article presented:
I made a brief highlight of it in my Stack in April, listing some of the chapter and section titles I found most interesting and relevant to the world since 2020. It is a very lengthy book, I only read contents under the titles I listed, along with a few others I didn't find interesting enough to share.
I would have told you that prior to Covid our system maybe was savable.
But post Covid it is as lost as any others. You won't be denied care, but you will have to receive a vaccination whether you like it or not, or even know it or not.
Up until Obamacare, the US system was easily savable. It never was bad as it was reported to be. The number of uninsured included illegal aliens and those who chose not have any. The proportion of uninsured citizens who wanted insurance but could not afford it was tiny by comparison to those who were covered. I have the numbers somewhere, but if they spent the money wasted on the stupid Obama care website on the truly uninsured citizens, each such person could have received a huge sum in a medical savings account and more than solved the problem. Just like with masks, Obamacare was never about solving a health problem. Now, we see that the whole system from med school requirement, education, licensing, insurance, admission to after discharge and all in between has been corrupted.
Thanks Kitsune.
Missing the elephant in the room with all "health care". Was that pre 1970's ish.
Now all, whether private or public. Corrupted into pushing the evil megapharmas evil drug profiteering the whole world over.
I was born in 1970, so my experience obviously is more recent.
I’m no longer sure how to categorize what is it the States now. Hospitals are certainly following something different from what they were. Is it because they have co-opted by the State? That seems to be part of it but only part of it. Has ESG, with its SDGs and DEI components pressuring the private sector into playing the game or is it just the time when enough people schooled under these regimes have ascended to positions of power and are implementing these horrible policies?
I will tell you this, as broke as our system currently is here in the states, you will not be denied care.
I witnessed this over a couple of months here where one of our fellow tenants, uninsured, diabetic, wheelchair bound supposedly due to a wound on his leg that was not healing, became a frequent flyer for the hospital system. At least seven times he called 911 due to diabetic or heart related issues, and each time the ambulance would show up. Everyone knows how much an ambulance ride is, they run into thousands of dollars. So you do the math on seven times.
He was never refused, and I wasn't going to deny him making the calls. I mean, who am I to assess his health? I do remember overhearing a couple of the paramedics who tended to him that his blood sugar was over 300. Hence the reason they would take him to the hospital.
I also had two similar incidents here at the house where we had to call the paramedics for others as well, none were refused.
Our system is currently breaking down. Covid has seen to that, and my assessment is this was part of the (conspiracy theory) design. A few of the nursing staff who were experienced related to me that the hospital traffic was roughly the same as it had always been, but the hype regarding Covid added pressure to it. That, and staffing issues, were the only difference.
I was told one patient, in their teens, came to the hospital and was in a room due to being "covid positive." Most of her time their she spent complaining of boredom and lack of attention to her needs, but she was asymptomatic and one of the nurses related that she wasn't even sure why the patient was there and not at home. This was someone with "no" symptoms.
I could feel it on my four month stay at a hospital last year. I knew they had staffing issues by the lack of frequency they would visit me in my room. But part of that also might be due to the fact that I did not often "need" care. I wasn't frivolously calling the nursing staff. Doctors infrequently came to visit me and spent little to no time assessing my recovery, but they did show up.
I have been hospitalized numerous times since 2015. Once due to a heart issue, a second time for dehydration, and most recently for amputation. I did notice different levels of care, and assumed it was due to insurance related reasons, but in fact, it is more hospital related than insurance related.
Some hospitals just aren't as good as others.
My dad would say that he worked for the most expensive, free taxi service. They would get a call from someone on public aid. Regardless of the paramedics, assessment, they brought them to the hospital. While not required to bring them back home, the ambulance crew and the owner feared bad PR, so they would. On the way home, the patio would suddenly say, “Oh, I just remembered, I’m out of milk. Can we stop at the milk store.” That was the whole reason for the ambulance call. This was years ago now.
Clever 'patient'. I guess that is what corrupts and eventually ruins every system, ideology, or -ism ... the actors in bad faith that make up a percentage of every population.
Government employees who work with those on public aid instruct them on how to game the system. Then they share what they learn and experience with their family and friends. Many of my classmates in primary school were from 2nd or third generation welfare families. They did not know of a single family member who worked full time, if at all. My dad was the only full time employee at the ambulance service. All the others were on some sort of government assistance and would lose their “benies” if they worked more hours.
I am very new to the system of public aid. I went through the application of SSI and finally got it the past week. It's for 200.00 a month and very little was given in the way of backpay because I ddi receive some support from friends and family. If you have resources over 2000.00 in your bank account any given month, you are not eligible for public assistance that month.
The last thing I want to do is nothing, because I have seen the cost of nothing. Nothing will make you wither away. But I see firsthand how a system that was meant to aid those who need it, actually works to keep those there.
I was thinking that a huge part why the state should not be the source for assistance is that someone who cares and spends one weekend with you would have a better understanding than a state that receives all your paperwork over a year and a half.
The cut off for benefits is absurdly low. Just as you are about to finally climb out of the pit, they kick the ladder out from under you. I have known too many who have suffered because of that madness, including my own family when I was a child. My family had two junk cars but my parents could only keep one on the road at a time. No matter, two meant no assistance. I was allowed to work despite being underage due to my family’s financial situation. My mom was working two full time jobs and my dad had his own store, yet we were not making it.
My guess was there were times when it didn't matter the assessment, they had to take them in. I mean, what happened if they checked out in terms of blood sugar and pressure, and left the person only to find he died an hour later?
As I understand, it depends greatly upon the local laws, but those seem to support or create the situation you describe. I know that it can be especially troublesome when someone refuses transport to a hospital.
Things have changed so much under Obamacare and laws have simply been ignored during the panic that I have no idea how things are now.
Hi Kitsune,
Let's add this to our list of discussion topics when we get together for beers! Sounds like you and I are on the same page once again.
Although I am a Canadian, I am one of the few who you will encounter who has been complaining just how ridiculous the health care insanity in kanada is.
However, the one thing non-canadians, non-brits, non-australians, and non-new zealanders will never understand is the degree to which all of us british empire subjects were/are INUNDATED with endless nauseating propaganda about just how amazing our health care systems are (and a bunch of other identical propaganda bullshit like nicest people, best place on earth to live, best education systems, BETTER than the USA in everyway, etc...). ALL complete nonsense.
I am slightly unique however, in that I opted out of the kanadian system as best I could long ago. I got annoyed at my family doctor (family doctors - an anachronistic aspect of all north american health care) in junior high school and quit both doctor silliness and all medicine. I also lived in both Sweden (grade 12) and Germany (university year), and because of hockey injuries, experienced both healthcare systems firsthand - seemingly superior to kanada's and no wait times (I hear it's different these days mind you).
Thanks for the article and have a great weekend.
I was too zonked out to reply when I first saw this and kept getting distracted every time I looked for it.
Yes we need to get together for beer.
You nailed it, most Canadians I meet immediately start in with how much Canadian anything and everything is so much better than the same in the States. My British acquaintances are obsessed with race, place of origin, and ethnicity especially of actors and actresses then claim America is racist. They also work in how superior their NHS is than the non system in the States. With one exception, an Aussie woman I work with, those I met from East Germany with koalas did not have the inferiority complex those I referred to above seem to have. Very down to Earth people.
I encourage you to take a look at the following book about how Maoist China used infectious disease to help transform the nation into a collectivist authoritarian one:
Rural Health Care Delivery
Modern China from the Perspective of Disease Politics
Springer-Verlag Berlin Heidelberg, 2013
http://library.lol/main/DB87C08A174B849E1EB0476138787AED
('GET' .pdf download)
Cover Description:
"Diseases are everyday, ordinary occurrences intimately related to people’s daily lives. However, as the metaphor of the “Sick Man of East Asia” emerged against the backdrop of a weak modern China, health care and the curing of diseases were turned into grand state politics with far-reaching implications. This book, starting with the argument for diseases being metaphors, describes and interprets such incidents in China’s history as the Abolishment of Traditional Chinese Medicine, the Patriotic Hygiene Campaign and the Cooperative Medical Services. In an effort to reveal the internal logic of disease politics in the transformation of the state-people relationship, the book analyzes key aspects including the politicization and inclusion of diseases in state governance, the double disciplining of hygiene, legitimacy construction of the state, the remaking of the nationals, and the expansion of the “publicness” of the state. The book argues that disease politics in modern China has developed following the path from nationals to the people, and then to citizens, or from crisis politics and mobilization politics to life politics. In addition, a marked change has occurred in China’s state building: increasingly standard, rationalized and institutionalized means have been employed while the non-standard means, such as large-scale mobilization and ideological coercion, had been historically used in China."
I discovered this book when I recently reviewed some early reading of mine in March, 2020 I found in Foreign Affairs, an international affairs publication supported by and intended for the globalist audience, those who believe in one-world governance, varieties found both on the left and right. It is a highly influential publication in those circles, one of the most influential international affairs publications in the world The book above was in a link the FA article presented:
Past Pandemics Exposed China’s Weaknesses
The Current One Highlights Its Strengths
Foreign Affairs, March 27, 2020
https://web.archive.org/web/20200328050913/https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2020-03-27/past-pandemics-exposed-chinas-weaknesses
I made a brief highlight of it in my Stack in April, listing some of the chapter and section titles I found most interesting and relevant to the world since 2020. It is a very lengthy book, I only read contents under the titles I listed, along with a few others I didn't find interesting enough to share.
https://freedomfox.substack.com/p/the-devious-use-of-infectious-disease
From the Zenko of Freedom Fox to Kitsune, Maskless Crusader